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Styropian grafitowy to takie samo tworzywo co styropian biały z wyjątkiem dodatku grafitu, który poprawia właściwości izolacyjne, bez wpływu na parametry mechaniczne czy też przyczepność kleju do powierzchni styropianu. Każde zdarzenie ma swoją przyczynę w tym również nietypowe jakim jest np.  „odpadający styropian”, a wątek  jest bardziej złożony niż można przypuszczać po wstępnej analizie.  Ewentualne zjawisko odpadania styropianu to inaczej „nie trzymanie” się kleju, które  może wynikać ze słabej jakości kleju do przyklejania płyt styropianowych i błędów wykonawczych wśród których nagminnie popełnianym jest nieprawidłowy sposób nakładania kleju. Opracowane i stosowane od wielu lat są dwie poprawne metody nakładania kleju cementowego:

  1. pasmowo-punktowa polegająca na rozłożeniu „ramki” kleju przy zewnętrznych krawędziach płyty i kilka „placków” kleju (3-6) wewnątrz,
  2.  oraz metoda cało powierzchniowa, gdzie klej nakładany jest przy pomocy pacy zębatej na całą powierzchnię płyty styropianowej.

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Klejeni tylko na same placki jest absolutnie zakazane. Kolejna pomijana czynność to  sprawdzenie stabilności podłoża do którego będzie mocowana izolacja oraz temperatura powietrza w jakiej będą prowadzone prace. Chłonne podłoża jak (np. beton komórkowy) do których będzie klejona izolacja  powinny zostać zaimpregnowane gruntem uniwersalnym by wyeliminować ryzyko szybkiego odciągnięcia wody technologicznej z kleju potrzebnej do prawidłowego jego wiązania. Zbyt szybkie wyschnięcie kleju spowodowane szybkim "odessaniem" wody przez chłonne podłoże skutkuje znaczącym osłabieniem wiązania co może powodować odspojenie płyty styropianowej od kleju. W każdym przypadku wykonywanych prac ociepleniowych elewacji, szczególnie w  przypadku mocowania styropianu grafitowego należy przestrzegać zaleceń wykonawczych i zabezpieczyć elewację siatka ochronną przed bezpośrednim działaniem słońca. Więcej informacji na stronie: zasady dla grafitowego styropianu   

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Idąc za obszerną wypowiedzią Eksperta - małe podsumowanie  - sposób mocowania ma znaczenie i warunki wykonywania robót.

Wracając do pytania.

Oczywiście, zdaję sobie sprawę, że przechodzień na ulicy widząc odpadający styropian grafitowy zada pytanie o ten styropian, który widział na elewacji - czyli grafitowy.

Z czasem jednak z rynku znikną styropiany o gorszych parametrach a pozostaną tylko szare lub/i niebieskie bądź różowe (to już moja nadinterpretacja rozwoju technologii) i będziemy zadawać pytanie wyłącznie o sam styropian.

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  Dnia 29.01.2019 o 09:53, Eksperci Termo Organika napisał:

Styropian grafitowy to takie samo tworzywo co styropian biały z wyjątkiem dodatku grafitu, który poprawia właściwości izolacyjne, bez wpływu na parametry mechaniczne czy też przyczepność kleju do powierzchni styropianu.

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Czyżby???

Przecież było wiele przypadków odpadania grafitowego styropianu - dlatego jakoś go tam modernizowano. Wg informacji w wielu doniesieniach chodziło o większą rozszerzalność pod wpływem zmian temperatury, Wprowadzono frezy, coś tam jeszcze.

W związku z tym nie ryzykowałbym twierdzenia, że grafitowy i biały styropian są takie same i tak samo reagują z klejem.

 

A kwestia odpowiedniego klejenia i nieodpowiedniego, czyli fuszerki - to jeszcze inna kwestia. 

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  Dnia 29.01.2019 o 13:07, Budujemy Dom - budownictwo ogólne napisał:

zenek, jak zrobisz kołkowanie białego i szarego to który ci odpadnie?

Może jeszcze kołki też muszą być szare albo białe?

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Dziad o gruszce, baba o pietruszce.

Co mają kołki do kleju i odpadania styropianu. Klej klei styropian do ściany, a kołki są tylko dodatkiem. Myślalem, że to nie podlega dyskusji.

I chodzi o ostyropian grafitowy a nie szary. To też chyba nie jest dyskusyjne...

 

 

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Wtedy ucichną wszelkie spory bo z prawami fizyki, z technologią i poprawnie wykonanym montażem mało kto odważy się polemizować. :)

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Powiem tak. Mam budynek, na którym na betonie komórkowym przykleiłem dwa lata temu kilkanaście płyt styropianu grafitowego. Narożnik budynku, strona południowa i zachodnia. Nie kołkowany, nie zaciągany klejem. Wszystko wisi i ma się dobrze. 15cm grubości 0,031. Z góry zalatuje woda i śnieg. Klejono płyty obwiedniowo plus dwa placki. Nogą staniesz, nie odrywa się. Żadnych nacięć fabrycznych przeciw naprężeniom, brak warstwy białego styropianu od zewnątrz, żadnych siatek zabezpieczających. 

 

Za to poprawiałem balkony, gdzie woda omijała obróbkę blacharską i po trzech latach odpadła siatka z tynkiem. Styropian się trzymał na kołkach. 

 

Swego czasu też myłem fragmenty starej elewacji przed klejeniem styropianu grafitowego. Próbne dwa arkusze odkleiły się po trzech dniach. W tych miejscach leżał stary baranek zarzucany maszynką ręczną. Czerwony kolor struktury uzyskiwano przez dosypanie czerwonego pyłu. Nie wiem, co to było, ale po trzydziestu latach przeciągając ręką po elewacji pył pozostawał na dłoni. Klej na mokro się trzymał, po wyschnięciu łatwo odstawał. 

 

Co by nie było, przeważają błędy wykonawcze. Ewentualnie na hurtowni wcisnąć próbują mocno przeterminowane kleje. 

 

A i jeszcze jedno. Jest taka grupka "FACACHOWCÓW", co to w ramach wydłużenia sezonu pracy dodaje plastyfikatory do klejów. Jak wiemy praca poniżej 5*C jest niewskazana. A jak to wszyscy wiedzą plastyfikator do klejów się średnio nadaje, rzekł bym wcale. Skraca czas wiązania, zmniejsza ilość potrzebnej wody w mieszance, itd... W mieszance betonowej.

W klejach takiej czynności wykonywać się nie powinno. 

 

Ot moich kilka spostrzeżeń z listy... 

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  Dnia 1.02.2019 o 10:59, Budujemy Dom - budownictwo ogólne napisał:

W razie wątpliwości i rozterek na temat koloru, który w pewnej mierze wiąże się również z poziomem izolacji termicznej, proponuję do poduszki poczytać opinię Eksperta Termo Organika.

Wtedy ucichną wszelkie spory bo z prawami fizyki, z technologią i poprawnie wykonanym montażem mało kto odważy się polemizować. :)

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Mozna sobie jeszcze uzupełnić lekturę tym tekstem:

https://lambda.swisspor.pl/pl/article/10/fakty-i-mity-na-temat-szarego-styropianu

 

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